Hi Dave.re your comment about the Flame Shoulder. Although it wasn't dissected I did check it for Radfords which I was hoping it was but it was a small, short moth with quite red/brown hairs at the front of the abdomen and the streak stopped at the kidney mark. In hindsight I wish I'd kept it as both you and MT have asked about it but I wish it had been Radfords, but it just didn't look right for one. It was also quite worn as would be expected. Roger